Draft revised SWG charter for review#145
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Nice work @maxrjones . Some feedback below. ScopeOne key role of GeoZarr is illustrated in the figure below. The potential EO related conventions include both format-agnostic and format-related conventions. GeoZarr should provide the governance needed to reach community consensus on which of these conventions, or combinations of conventions, constitute the official GeoZarr specification (or a defined set of GeoZarr profiles). I think this is reflected in your update.
In addition, GeoZarr should define recommendations or requirements needed to ensure interoperability. For example, it could specify whether groups should be independently usable (with consolidated metadata), or a store should contain a single root hierarchy, and other implementation rules that promote consistent, interoperable GeoZarr datasets across the community. |
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The proposed Version 1 focuses on spatial, PROJ, and multiscales conventions, but it does not address one of the most common interoperability patterns: the representation of coordinate variables. In practice, these are fundamental elements of many EO datasets (and the benefit beyond COG). For that reason, I am concerned that a first GeoZarr specification without an agreed coordinate convention may leave an important interoperability gap. I believe this aspect should be considered part of the core discussion before finalising Version 1. |
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Following up in writing on the points I raised in today's GeoZarr SWG meeting, having now read the draft charter document. What a charter is forA charter's job is to define how the SWG evaluates and admits conventions: the process, the evidence bar, the conformance model. It shouldn't itself contain a snapshot of which conventions currently exist or are currently favoured. Those are different documents: one is governance, the other is a roadmap. As drafted, this charter does the second thing and calls it the first. Why that's a problem in practice, not just in principleSection 3 names I would propose to replace the named convention list in the charter document with two independent, generic categories, defined without naming any specific convention, existing, proposed, or prospective: 1. Status: Consisting of (1) Conventions adopted in the GeoZarr standard, and (2) Proposed conventions. This latter group would include conventions that developers propose as a potential GeoZarr standard. Under this structure, V1 can ship as: one candidate principal convention ( This also protects the charter from needing amendment every time a new convention shows up, or every time a currently-unnamed candidate is proposed, which a document meant to govern the SWG for years should be built to withstand. ProcessThe current one-week comment window is proportionate to adopting a convention update. It's not proportionate to adopting the rules that will govern how every future convention, including ones nobody's proposed yet, gets judged. I propose that the vote on this draft be scoped as provisional/interim pending a structural revision along these lines, rather than adopted as final SWG governance under the current OGC schedule pressure. Happy to open a counter-proposal PR along these lines, if that's useful groundwork before the TC chair review. |
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I agree. In principle, the charter should be generic enough to define only the SWG's scope, objectives, governance, and intended deliverables, not prescribe a specific version or a fixed set of conventions. At most, it could include an informative list of the initial candidate conventions, clearly identified as non-normative. The charter should also be stable over time and only require revision if the SWG's scope or mission fundamentally changes, rather than whenever the set of conventions evolves or the community reaches new technical consensus. |
@christophenoel I'm confused by the definition of format in your figure. Shouldn't all GeoZarr components be related to the Zarr data fromat? |
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That was not my point. I wanted to stress out another challenge for geozarr: some conventions focus on features, some other are focused on encoding other format capabilities in zarr: in some case , this lead to collisions (multiple means to encode the same information). |
I do not see that as something that needs to be avoided, but rather as something that needs to be managed. Zarr conventions (in general) are intended to be community-driven, allowing diverse application domains to compile a set of conventions that jointly cover the needs of that community. The useful ones will float to the top, the marginal or niche ones sink to the bottom (however "top" and "bottom" are defined). In GeoZarr that is no different, even though the selection process is more more controlled. While focused on the narrower scope of geospatial data, compared to the domain-agnostic Zarr, that narrow scope is still diverse enough to warrant a range of solutions. Having such flexibility allows for new paradigms and new applications to emerge as conventions, rather than having to straight-jacket into building on the conventions that are currently adopted by GeoZarr - assuming that GeoZarr and its conventions will be around for a few decades, you'd be making a final decision now for describing data that is produced in 2040; that is surely not what you have in mind but it could result in that. Such a high bar for new conventions also runs the risk of GeoZarr stalling after, say, V.2 or V.3 because convention developers will go for solutions that work for their application domain rather than having to tweak solutions to the existing set of conventions. The maturity framework will effectively deal with this challenge because new conventions that turn omissions into commissions will not be implemented. The GeoZarr assessment criteria for conventions to be adopted forms another useful barrier to "frivolous" conventions. On the human side, managing this challenge should primarily be the responsibility of the data producers, i.e. the direct users of GeoZarr conventions. GeoZarr could support users in selecting a set of conventions by describing a number of application domains. As an example: |
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Understood. That is not my opinion and the intend we had with ESA for GeoZarr. |
The "traditional" structure of a SWG Charter is to be relatively generic but specific scope, with detailed content in a Work Plan Annex, and the latter could have a lighter weight process for updating. |

Following up on past discussions on GitHub and at SWG meetings, this PR proposes a re-charter of the GeoZarr SWG, reflecting the strategic reset initiated in #101.
I view this as documentation of the direction we embarked on in December 2025 and have refined since, not anything substantially new. The charter should serve as a shared statement of the vision for both SWG members and observers. The feedback I'd most appreciate is on how well this text writes that direction down.
The substantive changes from the 2023 charter (OGC 23-046):
spatial,proj,multiscalesfor Version 1), with proposed groupings for subsequent versions and the assessment criteria for incorporating conventions. This is the section that captures the reset. Please focus reviews here.Known placeholders, to be resolved before the charter goes to a vote (no need to flag them in review):
The next steps for this PR: